james_nicoll ([info]james_nicoll) wrote,
@ 2007-06-13 14:01:00
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Another demographic threat to Europe
Group mainly known for nearly a thousand years of hostility to Europe experiences a surge in birhtrates: can Europe's demographic doomsday be far behind?

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[info]fidelioscabinet
2007-06-13 02:05 pm UTC (link)
Midwives? What do midwives have to do with this? Could the link be dodgy?

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[info]the_nita
2007-06-13 02:10 pm UTC (link)
I think he means the English.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-06-13 02:13 pm UTC (link)
They speak a funny language! They have a state religion! They drive on the wrong side of the road!

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[info]autopope
2007-06-13 03:05 pm UTC (link)
They've been at war with France for 700 of the past 1000 years ... and they've got nukes!

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-06-13 03:45 pm UTC (link)
Charles de Gaulle understood the menace of the English. That's why he kept them out of the EC.

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[info]austin_dern
2007-06-13 11:08 pm UTC (link)

I'd thought he meant Ireland; I ran across an article on the BBC News site today talking about the surge in quite young people straining social services in pleasant, attractive places to live.

(There was also an article about the rate of economic growth in Africa rising for another year, a trend which, if it continues, means the continent might lose vast reserves of its poverty within a decade.)

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-06-13 02:11 pm UTC (link)
Since 2001, the number of live births in England has increased by almost 71,000 (12.5%), and is now at a 26-year high. In 2006, 635,679 live births were recorded.

It's only been about half a century since their last attempt at global hegemony collapsed. How soon people forget.

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[info]erinzdad
2007-06-13 02:18 pm UTC (link)
Here's a scary thought - what if they teamed up with the Germans to make that bid? good thing they're not pals.

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[info]mazarinade
2007-06-13 04:14 pm UTC (link)
Oh, we got on just fine with the Germans. They like beer and fried food and global domination and football (the real version, not the cheap knockoff of rugby played in pads like big girls' blouses), so by those measures the Germans are English. Come right to it, fifteen hundred years ago, the English were Germans.

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[info]erinzdad
2007-06-13 04:23 pm UTC (link)
"beer and fried food and global domination and football" - that all sounds like home-if ya'll decide to have another go, can we Yanks join in if we learn to play your silly game?

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[info]lpetrazickis
2007-06-14 12:49 am UTC (link)
What we need is a Zombie Frederick the Great and a Zombie King George II. The Seven Years War shall be fought again!

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[info]julesjones
2007-06-13 03:50 pm UTC (link)
The map will be coloured pink once again...

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[info]montrealais
2007-06-13 03:57 pm UTC (link)
I read somewhere that at one point after the Second World War, France actually contemplated becoming a Commonwealth Realm, like Canada, with the Queen and everything.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-06-13 04:12 pm UTC (link)
Do you mean this? I think this will eventually be seen as temporary insanity caused by stress. That, or Mollet confused himself with Philip the Good.

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[info]montrealais
2007-06-13 04:15 pm UTC (link)
I think that may be it. I also read that the US considered France's restoring its own monarchy after WWII as well.

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[info]mindstalk
2007-06-13 05:30 pm UTC (link)
Such confidence we have in republican government.

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[info]sunshaker
2007-06-13 05:38 pm UTC (link)
Damn they almost got Normandy back...

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[info]papersky
2007-06-13 06:09 pm UTC (link)
Hundred Years War A Mistake!

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[info]corruptedjasper
2007-06-13 11:17 pm UTC (link)
France and Britain -- in the person of Churchill, and pretty much nobody else -- were also very seriously talking about a Union in May '40, but that was stopped by the french surrender and the Vichy debacle.

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[info]xinef
2007-06-13 05:33 pm UTC (link)
"And 80% of women are happy with the maternity services they receive." A 20% "not happy" rating doesn't sound very good to me!

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[info]mawombat
2007-06-13 07:06 pm UTC (link)
I thought it was the Irish and Germans that got along so well...after all, a beer match made in heaven.

But I was with fidelioscabinet, I thought at first the Midwives were the hostile ones, and than my stunted sense of humor finally caught up with the my intellect. :)

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[info]mkillingworth
2007-06-13 07:08 pm UTC (link)
I wondered how long it would take to bring this up in Parliament. The BBC did a big expose on it several weeks ago. I would be very interested to see an ethnic breakdown of the births. There are a lot of people over here who think that the next generation of terrorists are being bred in large numbers on British soil.

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[info]countess_sophia
2007-06-13 08:57 pm UTC (link)
Foreign funded and directed terrorism is nothing new in the UK, the only difference is that the current lot get their cash from Saudi and Pakistan rather than the US.

Sophia

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[info]rfmcdpei
2007-06-13 11:16 pm UTC (link)
The BBC did a big expose on it several weeks ago. I would be very interested to see an ethnic breakdown of the births.

If France or the US is any guide, and if you're concerned, then yes, even though TFRs among immigrant populations may be higher than the average, the TFRs of pure laine Britons would also have risen. The immigrant minorities are too small and not nearly fecund enough to significantly alter the population composition, or the population dynamics, of the country.

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[info]casaubon
2007-06-14 08:18 am UTC (link)
I thought the latest DailyMailShockFear was being overrun by fecund Poles.

Meanwhile the Telegraph is blaming everyone from the usual swarthy types, to older women (?!), to Brummies. And apparently 20% of babies are born in immigrants.

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[info]rfmcdpei
2007-06-14 08:53 pm UTC (link)
Immigrants and pregnant older women are both unnatural, I guess.

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