james_nicoll ([info]james_nicoll) wrote,
@ 2007-03-26 15:14:00
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Unrelated to any ongoing flamewars
I will try my best to either avoid truncated terms that only I may be familiar with (refering to Doubleday as DoDa, say, or [name withheld on advice of lawyer] as Unified Asshats) or at least I will provide an expanded explantion of said terms the first time I use them in a thread. My logic here is that I write to communicate and if people can't make out what I am saying, they will not properly appreciate how shiny I am.


Who's up for a round of "what is the minimum one should reasonably be able to expect from a reviewer"?

1: The reviewer will have read the book that they are reviewing and will review that book, not an entirely different version that they may have dreamed up after a visit from Jacob Marley [1].

1a: Reviewing a book in terms of how it isn't the book you were hoping it would be but rather the book that the author actually wanted to write is probably a bad idea. Examples might be a recent book where I hoped I was going to get a book about a rock band but got something else instead. The book was supposed to be about something else and my expectations were inaccurate.

2: It's probably best if the reviewer has no strong opinions about the author (or anyone else involved in the production of the book) one way or another. At the least, to be aware of them so that you can compensate.

There's a bit in Machiavelli's Discourses on Livy about not allowing flaws to prevent someone's virtues from being rewarded and not allowing virtures to deter one from punishing transgressions that might apply here. Actually, I am not totally sure he said the first half. It's been a long time since I read Discourses.

3: There's nothing wrong with having preferences but those preferences do not constitute natural law.

I will probably come back to edit this.

1: For the purposes of book reviews, "listening to the rock opera by Jeff Wayne" does not count as having read the book.


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[info]desperance
2007-03-26 03:38 pm UTC (link)
2a - in matters of history, biography or indeed any specialised knowledge, it's useful for the reviewer to have some knowledge of the subject, but not to use the review-space either to air that knowledge or to argue their own interpretation as against the author's.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 03:42 pm UTC (link)
Hrm. I'd like to reserve the right to observe wistfully that H. Beam Piper would have been a happier man (or at least the Terra Human Federation would have been a happier place) if he'd ever heard the phrase "comparative advantage."

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(no subject) - [info]desperance, 2007-03-26 04:01 pm UTC (Expand)
That depends...
[info]james_angove
2007-03-26 04:04 pm UTC (link)
In things like the long form reviews in the NYRB that is exactly the agenda. Take 3 or 4 recent works, hand them to an expert in the field, and have them expound in a long form essay. The books will be discussed, to be sure and generally accurately, but simply reviewing the books isn't really the mission.

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Re: That depends... - [info]desperance, 2007-03-26 04:16 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 04:05 pm UTC (link)
but not to use the review-space either to air that knowledge

Except where relevent? I'm thinking here of "water, composed of the most common element in the universe and the third most common element, so rare that people travel light years to find any" background problems.

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(no subject) - [info]desperance, 2007-03-26 04:14 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]james_nicoll, 2007-03-26 04:20 pm UTC (Expand)
(no subject) - [info]desperance, 2007-03-26 04:28 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]cakmpls
2007-03-26 03:38 pm UTC (link)
Re 1a: This has been a rant of mine for many years. That the book/movie/essay/photo/building/fanzine/et al. isn't what the reviewer wants it to be is irrelevant. Review it on its own terms or get out of the business.

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[info]bibliofile
2007-03-26 11:29 pm UTC (link)
re: 1a
That's usually how I differentiate between reviewers and critics in my own head (Ebert: critic; Roeper: reviewer). The good sort usually try to see what the creator aimed for, which can be so very different from what any audience member/reader sees (much less wants). Oy.

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[info]jonquil
2007-03-26 03:46 pm UTC (link)
A hearty +1 on 1a.

3a. Your complaints on your dislike of the book's genre do not constitute a review.

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[info]aisb23
2007-03-26 03:50 pm UTC (link)
3b if the reviewer does have a particular dislike for a certain genre, then he should be provide some sort of disclaimer regarding that dislike.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 03:52 pm UTC (link)
I call this the "Spider Robinson Reviews a Biography of HP Lovecraft" rule.

Yes, yes, I know he apologized for that.

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[info]buymeaclue
2007-03-27 01:54 pm UTC (link)
3.a.i. Neither shall you make a single book responsible for more weight than it can bear.

That is, books are allowed to be themselves without having to transcend or revolutionize their genre.

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[info]apis_mellifera
2007-03-26 03:51 pm UTC (link)
Those rules all look good to me. I try really hard to be as fair as I possibly can to the book--anything less is, IMO, disrespectful.

OTOH, the format in which I review books is extremely limited and constrained and I often end up essentially rewriting the back of book blurb for the plot summary section. Since I only get one paragraph for actual criticism in this format.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 03:55 pm UTC (link)
Oddly, one of the reasons I like to review anthologies for SFBC is the challenge of writing one line summaries for things like Howard Waldrop stories.

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(no subject) - [info]apis_mellifera, 2007-03-26 04:35 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]alexx_kay
2007-03-26 04:20 pm UTC (link)
One edit I would suggest would be to add the word "professional" before "reviewer". I feel free to commit all of these faults when writing on my personal blog, for my own amusement and that of a few dozen friends. If anyone is going to pay to read a review, or paid the reviewer to write it, then I think these rules are applicable; otherwise, not so much.

Partial exception to 1a: If the book is clearly marketed as being A, but is actually Q instead, that is very important to mention in the review.

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[info]dawn_guy
2007-03-26 04:24 pm UTC (link)
For the purposes of book reviews, "listening to the rock opera by Jeff Wayne" does not count as having read the book.


The book cannot possibly convey the lush, loving pronunciation of "indefatigable" by Sir Richard Burton.

Excuse me, I think I have to go swoon.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 04:35 pm UTC (link)
You know about this, right?

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(no subject) - [info]rysmiel, 2007-03-26 04:40 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]coalescent
2007-03-26 04:33 pm UTC (link)
There's a reviewing flamewar going on somewhere and I haven't seen it? Where, where?

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[info]apis_mellifera
2007-03-26 04:39 pm UTC (link)
I saw something on the Smart Bitches, Trashy Books blog last week about Harriet Klausner, but I'm not sure if this is related or not.

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(no subject) - [info]james_nicoll, 2007-03-26 04:47 pm UTC (Expand)
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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 04:45 pm UTC (link)
Actually, the reviewer's creed work in progress is unrelated to the opening statement, although I do think reviews should use clear language.

Of course, many things I say simply appear in my brain without any external inspiration but I might have been influenced by a recent discussion of whether an industry insider should automatically know what SubPress refers to.

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[info]montoya
2007-03-26 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Working on the premise that Harriet Klausner is a reviewer:

0. Can recap the back cover in 100 words or less while telling you the book is very good.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 05:02 pm UTC (link)
Makes note to send Klausner a copy of the Bantam, 1963 printing of Sign of the Labrys.

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Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]james_nicoll, 2007-03-26 05:03 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]montoya, 2007-03-26 05:19 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]james_nicoll, 2007-03-26 05:23 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]tomscud, 2007-03-26 07:42 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]tool_of_satan, 2007-03-26 09:35 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]t_guy, 2007-03-26 10:51 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]bibliofile, 2007-03-26 11:26 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]bright_lilim, 2007-03-26 07:40 pm UTC (Expand)
Re: Oh, yeah, that whole communicating clearly thing - [info]roseembolism, 2007-03-26 08:51 pm UTC (Expand)

[info]julesjones
2007-03-26 06:39 pm UTC (link)
Having been on the wrong side of a 1a type review, I'm all for having that one up front... It's not unreasonable to note that you were expecting a different type of book, where that fact is relevant. It is unreasonable to write a review that boils down to "this is not the book I expected and therefore it is a very sucky book."

As for 3, as a reviewer, I may mention my own preferences so that the audience may correct for my bias. My review is not, or at least should not be, a platform for evangelising those preferences. As an author, I can only wish that one or two reviewers could learn to tell the difference. Look, I don't mind if cross-genre gay romance doesn't float your boat. But if you (non-specific you, not James or anyone reading this thread) don't like it, don't review it and whine about how horrible it is that you were forced, *forced* to read this book and all such books should be banned henceforth. For whichever it is of "cross-genre", "gay" or "romance" that you object to.

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[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-26 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Having been on the wrong side of a 1a type review, I'm all for having that one up front... It's not unreasonable to note that you were expecting a different type of book, where that fact is relevant. It is unreasonable to write a review that boils down to "this is not the book I expected and therefore it is a very sucky book."

Heads up, writers: if anyone has written an elf-rock novel of the sort where Bill Nighy could be cast as a vaguely befuddled Oberon whose plan to entrance the humans once more back in the 1970s left him locked him into an unbreakable contract with a particularly evil production company, I have not yet encountered it.

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(no subject) - [info]puritybrown, 2007-03-27 01:06 am UTC (Expand)

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2007-03-26 11:59 pm UTC (link)
I'm not sure if you are referring only to professional reviews, or all reviews, so I'm just going to list a few thoughts I have about them.

I expect the reviewer to express an opinion on the book. A lot of people seem to think that a brief plot synopsis is a review. It isn't. I want to finish the review with a good idea whether I should read the book or not.

I expect the review to give me some idea what the book is like. I don't need to know every detail of the plot, and prefer not to. But tell me if it drags, or reminds you of Atlas Shrugged, or if half the story is told as a flashback. I think this may be the hardest part of reviewing--to give the reader enough information to figure out if they'd like it or not, without explaining too much.

I don't mind negative reviews. In fact, I often find them more helpful than positive ones. Usually the person writing a negative review tries to analyze what they didn't like, and thus a negative review can give me a much better idea of what the book is like than a series of positive reviews.

I think it's appropriate to warn the reader if a book seems to be one sort of story, and then morphs unexpectedly into something else.

And, of course, not too many spoilers.

Gail O'Connor

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[info]ross_teneyck
2007-03-27 12:01 am UTC (link)
For 1a, I would add that if a reader might reasonably expect a book to be X -- say, because the book is marketed as X, or because the author is known for writing X, or because every previous book in this particular series has been X -- and the book is in fact Y, then it's reasonable to note in the review, "This is not X, it is Y. I was disconcerted to discover this."

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[info]ross_teneyck
2007-03-27 12:07 am UTC (link)
The other thought I've had is that since any given reviewer naturally has their own tastes, preferences, and biases -- which may or may not agree with one's own -- it might be useful to come up with a basis set of half-a-dozen or so titles in the field in which the reviewer works. Every reviewer should then publish reviews of those titles, so that readers can calibrate each reviewer against the reader's own preferences.

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[info]peake
2007-03-27 01:19 pm UTC (link)
A review is an expression of informed opinion. Therefore it is up to the reviewer to say not only whether a book is good or bad, but why it is. This is a step that 75% of reviewers seem to miss out.

A review should give an impression of what a book is doing (which is not at all the same thing as giving a plot synopsis).

If the book is factual, the reviewer should have knowledge of that subject, enough to say whether the book gets it right or wrong.

If the book is fiction, the reviewer should have knowledge of other works by the same author or within the same genre, enough to say whether the book works well or badly within its context.

As to your rule 1: you review the book you have read, but if the book does not do what it is presented as doing, if it makes elementary mistakes, if it changes course part way through, if it is entirely based on a factual error or a questionable interpretation, then the reviewer must say so. And that can sometimes seem like reviewing a book not written.

And as for your rule 2: if the reviewer does not have strong feelings, what on earth are they doing trying to write reviews? Strong feelings are the sine qua non of reviewing. You can allways tell if the reviewer doesn't really care one way or another about a book - and those are almost invariably bad reviews.

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Recent SF texts engaging with 'real' vs simulacra/virtual
[info]dryad_wombat
2007-03-28 08:32 pm UTC (link)
Greetings! [info]machineplay suggested I might ask you for your thoughts on something, because you are a Godlike Expert on all things science rfiction.

I need to find an array of science fiction texts (ideally written within the last decade or so) which look at the idea of the real and the simulated/virtual. I guess William Gibson's Neuromancer is quite key given its depiction of virtual space, as are the plethora of recent texts on cloning engaging the vexed question of the difference between original and copy...

But I am sure there are scads of other texts I should hurtle forth and look at - do any thoughts leap out at you in response to this tiny list, do you think? :)...

- SF texts engaging with virtual space
- SF texts depicting humans extended with cyber tech
- SF texts in which the boundary between real and simulation blurs

(I think I am using SF rather irresponsibly there, since I gather it's not really synonymous with ' science fiction'.... - apologies!)

Hopeful
Sara

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Re: Recent SF texts engaging with 'real' vs simulacra/virtual
[info]james_nicoll
2007-03-28 08:39 pm UTC (link)
Would edited sensoria count? You may want to look at some of Karl Schroeder's fiction.

May I bump this up into an entry? More people will see it that way.

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Re: Recent SF texts engaging with 'real' vs simulacra/virtual - [info]dryad_wombat, 2007-03-29 08:54 pm UTC (Expand)

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