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For no reason I glanced at Armageddon 2419 last night
james_nicoll
And noticed this passage, which I failed to note the last time I read this book, probably back in the 1970s:

"You want to report by phone then, don't you?" Alan took a compact packet about six inches square from a holster attached to her belt and handed it to Wilma.

So far as I could see, it had no special receiver for the ear. Wilma merely threw back a lid, as though she were opening a book, and began to talk. The voice that came back from the machine was as audible as her own.


Is that text really in the original? Did Nowlan foresee mobile phones in 1928?

Yellow Menace Warning: the Americans are inexplicably hostile to the people who brought civilization to the Americas in a manner no more oppressive than the old Americans visited on their predecessors.

Something I did remember (more Yellow Menace stuff)
was that despite this being an Yellow Menace book, Nowlan also wanted his book to feature a brotherhood of all men theme, which as turns out is pretty hard to reconcile with treating one specific race as inhuman and beyond the boundaries of basic decency. Not that he didn't try to reconcile the two


"In the years that followed," Wilma and I travelled nearly every nation on the earth which had succeeded in throwing off the Han domination, spurred on by our success in America, and I never knew her to show to the men or women of any race anything but the utmost of sympathetic courtesy and consideration, whether they were the noble brown-skinned Caucasians of India, the sturdy Balkanites of Southern Europe, or the simple, spiritual Blacks of Africa, today one of the leading races of the world, although in the Twentieth Century we regarded them as inferior. This charity and gentleness of hers did not fail even in our contacts with the non-Han Mongolians of Japan and the coast provinces of China.

But that monstrosity among the races of men which originated as a hybrid somewhere in the dark fastnesses of interior Asia, and spread itself like an inhuman yellow blight over the face of the globe—for that race, like all of us, she felt nothing but horror and the irresistible urge to extermination.

Latterly, our historians and anthropologists find much support for the theory that the Hans sprang from a genus of human-like creatures that may have arrived on this earth with a small planet (or large meteor) which is known to have crashed in interior Asia late in the Twentieth Century, causing certain permanent changes in the earth's orbit and climate.


by literally dehumanizing the Han. Although this could also be seen as less "how is it we're simultaneously preaching the brotherhood of man and committing genocide against one specific group?" and more "how do I deal with the fact the woman I have fallen in love with is merrily committing racially motivated mass murder in such a way as not to reflect badly on her and by extension on me for staying with her?"

I am unaware of any other book that is quite so confused about the distinction between Tibetan, Mongols and Han Chinese as The Airlords of Han, although Gregory Benford's The Stars in Shroud comes close:

"It was Tonji, his Mongol mask in place."


Tonji is from Japan.

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"Late in the Twentieth Century"? Considering that that's in The Future, is it supposed to be some sort of dramatic irony?

Does Buck ever mention that there actually were already Han Chinese on Earth in the era he came from, or are these supposed to be some different bunch of Chinese people who coincidentally call themselves Han?

The comic book, as I recall, had the American Han being a corrupt and "fallen" offshoot of a still very civilized China which was rather unaware of what their country cousins were up to in North America.

Bruce

By the way, there are also miniature mobile phones in one of the Oz books. Ozma and the Wizard carry them around as a direct communication line to one another. Ozma can see what the Wizard is up to using a Magic Screen (on her wall, not part of the phone), but the phone itself is described as a technological artifact invented by the Wizard.

Ozma's phone seems to be more a candy-bar than a flip-speakerphone design.


Edited at 2012-07-09 02:02 pm (UTC)

Yes, but in Oz, whether it's high-tech or magic, it's still under the control of a small cadre of powerful elite, *not* something that the mass of society gets to play with.

Japan, that place the Mongols wanted to invade, but failed to consult a competent meteorologist befo9re they tried back in 1281. A quick look seems to indicate that Tonji isn't a Japanese name in any case. It certainly didn't sound like one to me.

"Simple but spiritual Blacks of Africa" was probably progressive sounding by the standards of 1928, but obviously isn't now. And an obvious question is whether there are any American black people in that future era. Separate but equal?

Very fair white people are apparently rare:
Whereas Wilma had the usual dark brown hair and hazel eyes that marked nearly every member of the community, Gerdi had red hair, blue eyes and very fair skin. She has been dead many years now, but I remember her vividly because she was a throwback in physical appearance to a certain 20th Century type which I have found very rare among modern Americans;


But I don't see any other mention of skin colour. In the one instance it comes up, race mixing is seen as bad but it's specifically intermarriage with the Han that's being discussed (I could have sworn Native Americans were a significant part of the American mix).

Oh, the next book identifies Americans as the White Race. The most optimistic take on that is an Argentina scenario but I'm guessing that's not what the author had in mind.



Edited at 2012-07-09 02:30 pm (UTC)

A quick look seems to indicate that Tonji isn't a Japanese name in any case. It certainly didn't sound like one to me.


豚児 - My child; foolish son; (obsc) piglet

It consists of two jouyou characters, so it certainly could be used as a name, though whether anyone would is a different question. I wonder if Benford heard it used as a nickname?

Edited at 2012-07-09 07:21 pm (UTC)

I think we can give the author a bit more credit than that. With the addition of:


"today one of the leading races of the world, although in the Twentieth Century we regarded them as inferior. "

it's amazingly progressive for its time. See for example Asimov's comments on attituded towards blacks in the 1930s.

I wouldn't be surprised if there were Outraged Letters, or at least muttered comdemnation of this new PC stuff.

William Hyde

I always assumed Benford meant 'Mongol' in a broad sense to mean 'Asians'. I suppose 'his Mongoloid mask in place' wouldn't have quite the same ring to it.

Re: The Stars in Shroud

james_nicoll

2012-07-09 03:05 pm (UTC)

It's not impossible Tonji skinned a Mongol to fashion an accessory. Tonji is kind of a jerk.

Re: The Stars in Shroud

(Anonymous)

2012-07-09 07:41 pm (UTC)

I was somewhat surprised on my first stint in Texas (1986) to find that a few (very few) people used "Mongolian" to mean something like "East Asian". From context this might include Mongolians, Chinese, Japanese, and Koreans. I don't think it included southeast Asia. For example a restaurant offering a "Mongolian Buffet" would simply be offering North American standard Chinese food.

When I returned to Texas (1997) the usage, and for that matter the restaurant, had vanished.

William Hyde


The Project Gutenberg version appears to be painstakingly transcribed from the August 1928 Amazing, along with decorative initial capitals, Frank R. Paul illustrations, and an editorial introduction in which we hear the inimitable tone of Hugo Gernsback:

"Here, once more, is a real scientifiction story plus. It is a story which will make the heart of many readers leap with joy."

Plus, mind you. Plus!

So I think that confirms that the belt-holstered flipphone appeared in the original story.

Speaking of races, one of the pictures has the following interesting caption:

On the left of the illustration is a Han girl, and on the right is an American girl, who, like all of her race, is equipped with an inertron belt and a rocket gun.


Inertron, as readers of the story will recall, is a gravity-cancelling metal that allows the Americans to fly or anyway take giant leaps-- thus justifying the use of my special jetpack icon for this comment.

I was a little surprised to see in the early sections Nowlan gave some thought to how annoying inertron could be to work with:

The inadvertent dropping of weight is not a serious matter. The motor thrust always can be used to descend. But as an extra precaution, in case the motor should fail, for any reason, there are built into every belt a number of detachable sections, one or more of which can be discarded to balance off any loss in weight.

[...]

Wilma caught it, however, and though it reinforced the lift of her own belt so that she had to hook her knee around a branch to hold herself down, she saved it.


I bet in the early days unfortunate early adopters of jumpers and floaters got to examine interplanetary space up close.

Edited at 2012-07-09 03:32 pm (UTC)

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I believe Benford and the other Benford did spent time in Japan before returning to the formative charms of Alabama.

On predicting future gizmos

(Anonymous)

2012-07-09 03:42 pm (UTC)

There was a communication device looking very much like a laptop in one old Flash Gordon comic. This made the rounds a few years back, and I'm sure some people will remember it. Here is one place where the panel is shown.

http://sciencefictionobserver.blogspot.com/2009/08/first-laptop-discovered-in-flash-gordon.html

It just goes to show sometimes there are accidental but nonetheless accurate predictions of future tech in all kinds of places. It isn't really hard to think that what we have now can be made more efficient and smaller with better tech--the hard part is coming up with the social effects thereof :)

Re: On predicting future gizmos

derekl1963

2012-07-09 04:37 pm (UTC)

"It just goes to show sometimes there are accidental but nonetheless accurate predictions of future tech in all kinds of places. It isn't really hard to think that what we have now can be made more efficient and smaller with better tech--the hard part is coming up with the social effects thereof :)"

This. Most SF wasn't trying to be predictive, it was trying to be futuristic (while making a buck or two). The two things aren't the same.

Re: On predicting future gizmos

mmcirvin

2012-07-09 06:15 pm (UTC)

I recall Genly's ansible in The Left Hand of Darkness being described as looking very much like a laptop. But that was 1969, the same era as the briefcase-computer prop that was cut from 2001: A Space Odyssey.

I did some searching a while back, and I believe wireless communication devices were coming real soon now even earlier than that. Basically since shortly after radio was invented.

Unfortunately, I posted the links I found on twitter, not livejournal, so it's not easy to find them now.

Some were fav'd, so I could find the notifications in mail.

Pocket telephone cartoon, 1919: http://earlyradiohistory.us/1919pok.htm

Carphone, 1920: http://earlyradiohistory.us/1920powr.htm

Yes! People were working on "radiophones" very early, with lots of impetus provided by the fragility of field telephone connections in World War I.

I rather like Heinlein's 1948 version in Space Cadet, in which the hero's mother embarrasses him by calling while he's waiting to take his entry tests for the Patrol - a fellow-applicant is proud of outwitting his parents by packing his phone in his luggage.

I was always amused by Heinlein's failure to imagine an OFF switch for the phone...

You're looking at it the wrong way, I think. Armageddon 2419AD had a standard Yellow Peril theme, but in Airlords of Han I think Nolan had a change of heart and attempted to retcon the earlier work's bigotry by making the future Hans a result of alien takeover. That way, all the negative racial characteristics of the former work no longer apply to any real-world living people or races. If he could, I'm sure he'd have the word "Han" replaced by "zargons" in the original, but it was too late by then to do anything.

Aha... I was wondering if it was something like that. The business about the Hans coming from a meteor in the late 20th century sounded suspiciously like a desperate retcon to make something not-racist.