james_nicoll ([info]james_nicoll) wrote,
@ 2005-06-30 13:19:00
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The Textile Singularty of the 19th and 20th Centuries
Between 1760 and 1850, British imports of cotton increased by a factor of 220, or about 6% a year. This was due to the economics of the textile industry, where reduced prices led to an increase in demand that more than made for the lower prices. Some of the profit went into discovering cheaper ways of making linen and this cycle continued without end. Alas, while this mean a short term increase in profits, it also will trigger an extinction event that made the end Permian look like the Potato Famine. Allow me to explain:

By 1900, the UK produced about 1.06^50 x 220 tonnes or about 4,000 tonnes of linen. The rest of planet had joined in, so the total was about 10,000 tonnes
of linen. Obviously at some point cotton would no longer be sufficient to supply the linen needs but we know human ingenuity is without limits and so ways of transforming other biomass into linen were discovered.

The total living biomass of the Earth is about 3.6x10^12 tonnes. At the inexorable growth rates of the 19th and 20th centuries, this will be the annual production in the year 2340. The total mass of linen will have hit that number sometime in the 2200s, so obviously the Textile Industry will have to resort to using nonliving biomass, of which there is about 10^14 tonnes. That will last the textile industry until about the 2350s, at which point the only recurse will be to spread to the other worlds.

Since we are part of the living biomass of Earth we will have been converted into tablecloths, trousers and other useful products long before the textile industry is forced to turn to the other planets and from there to the stars.


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[info]adrian_turtle
2005-06-30 05:48 pm UTC (link)
How does one convert cotton into linen? When did that become possible? I thought rayon was invented at the end of the 19th century, but that was an attempt to turn wood or cotton pulp into artificial silk, not artificial linen.

>In 1760, British imports of cotton increased by a factor of 220, or about 6% a year. This was due to the economics of the textile industry, where reduced prices led to an increase in demand that more than made for the lower prices. Some of the profit went into discovering cheaper ways of making linen and this cycle continued without end.

Were the people profiting from cotton (grown in warm climates and shipped to Britain) the same people profiting from linen (grown in Britain)? Some manufacturing techniques cross over, but I don't think there's any point in using a cotton gin on flax.

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[info]ritaxis
2005-06-30 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Adrian, linen has two meanings -- fiber and cloth made from flax, and also cloth items made for domestic use, which can be made of anything.

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[info]ritaxis
2005-06-30 05:50 pm UTC (link)
You're a kind person who will not sneer at me. I still can't figure out, exactly, what "singularity" means -- I have read three or four novels which feature singularity and I just can't figure it out. I'm not stupid. I swear I'm not. Just this word is giving me trouble.

Help! Definition!

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[info]zibblsnrt
2005-06-30 05:53 pm UTC (link)
The short and simple version is The Point Where Everything Changes.

Think of it as a time when a new idea, technology, etc comes out that is so successful and so far-reaching that society after it is almost, or completely, unrecognizable compared to what had gone before.

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[info]james_nicoll
2005-06-30 05:58 pm UTC (link)
It's a point or region where the models you are using break down and so you can not longer make useful predictions.

Take the north and south poles, for example. Latitude and longitude are quite useful for assigning a unique coordinate to every point on the planet save for the two spots where all the lines of longitude meet.

An SFnal singularity often involves something like information-manipulation. Since our computers are getting more and more powerful every day at a fearsome rate, it's easy to show that if this proceeds without limit that there will be a day where our machines can out-think us (1). Since by definition they would be smarter than us and more aware of the possibilities inherent in the universe, it is very hard to predict what they might do or what their world might be like.

Some extropians like to think that this will result in a solar system made entirely of "computronium" or as I like to call it "thinkite".


1: Or alternatively, that us+machien add-ons will equal a commensual being of greater intellectual ability than us.

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[info]ritaxis
2005-06-30 06:04 pm UTC (link)
It's the punctuation in punctuated equilibrium?

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[info]del_c
2005-06-30 07:29 pm UTC (link)
Yes, that's a good description. A mathematically-inclined biologist would show you a graph of the populations of the old species and the new one, and point to the way that the new species is the minority for a long time, then suddenly becomes the majority. He might then show you the rate of change with time, where the rate is small at first, briefly becomes immeasurably large, then becomes small again. That brief indefinitely-large spike on the graph is a singularity.

I believe at least one science fiction writer has called his novel The Spike as a plain English way of saying the same thing.

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[info]ritaxis
2005-06-30 07:38 pm UTC (link)
Okay -- but then when I see this term used in fiction it seems like they're not talking about a statistical process but an event, or worse yet, a thing. So that's what confused me.

Ordinarily, I think, those moments are only clearly discernible in retrospect, not while you're living them. Though there are interesting stories to be had while they are being lived, I guess.

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[info]james_nicoll
2005-06-30 07:42 pm UTC (link)
In science fiction "singularity" tends to be used with the same rigor as "nanotech" (which can mean "small machines operating according to the laws of nature" or "magic stuff that does any damn thing the author wants it to."). It's not you, it's the writers.

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(Anonymous)
2005-06-30 07:54 pm UTC (link)
I think that teleology is the prime fallacy and leads to all the others. I mean, that people think evolution is progress, and that things improve along a path or degenerate along a path, and so a "singularity" brings us to a Next Phase. Then they're talking about the Next Phase when they use the word. And so on.

Nanotech miracles happen because people want to be telling fairy tales and nanotech is like the invisible servants in the ccastle of the white cat princess.

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[info]ritaxis
2005-06-30 07:56 pm UTC (link)
That one was me. I don't know why it logged as anonymous.

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[info]del_c
2005-06-30 10:57 pm UTC (link)
Ordinarily, I think, those moments are only clearly discernible in retrospect, not while you're living them. Though there are interesting stories to be had while they are being lived, I guess.

Which in a nutshell is what happens in Charlie Stross's Accelerando...

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[info]nancylebov
2005-07-01 12:45 pm UTC (link)
That's Damian Broderick.

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Typo?
[info]akicif
2005-06-30 06:10 pm UTC (link)
In 1760, British imports of cotton increased by a factor of 220, or about 6% a year
Or am I missing something really obvious?

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Re: Typo?
[info]james_nicoll
2005-06-30 06:17 pm UTC (link)
Thinko. I'll go fix that.

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