james_nicoll ([info]james_nicoll) wrote,
@ 2008-05-14 12:34:00
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Speaking as a member of the patriarchy
If you compare a female candidate whose determination you feel is now self-destructive to Glenn Close's psychotic stalker in Fatal Attraction, people are going to assume you're a sexist pig. I'm not sure what would happen if you compared a male candidate to Glenn Close's psychotic stalker in Fatal Attraction because for some reason I've never seen it happen.

May I suggest that Napoleon in Russia would work just as well? Or possibly the Recording Industry Association of America reaction to Napster?

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[info]carloshasanax
2008-05-14 04:47 pm UTC (link)
I believe there are more recent examples of self-destructive determination which are (not entirely by coincidence) specific to American politics.

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[info]james_nicoll
2008-05-14 06:07 pm UTC (link)
Is the Black Knight from Monty Python and the Holy Grail sufficiently well known to serve?

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[info]andrewwheeler
2008-05-14 06:24 pm UTC (link)
You mean like this?
Glenn McCoy, fair and balanced as usual

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[info]james_nicoll
2008-05-14 06:50 pm UTC (link)
Just so.

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[info]mayakda
2008-05-14 07:36 pm UTC (link)
I know it's Monty Python but it makes me think of Boxing Helena. *throws up a little*

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[info]micheinnz
2008-05-14 10:25 pm UTC (link)
The very premise of Boxing Helena was so disgusting I've never been able to bring myself to watch it.

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[info]oneironaut
2008-05-15 12:41 am UTC (link)
Then you can't understand the real horror of Boxing Helena, which is the unthinkably, agonizingly long soft-focus sex scene, while Enigma plays and Helena watches through the gap of an ajar door. No, it gets worse: I have a soft spot for Julian Sands for some reason, but, at least for the camera, he is incapable of manufacturing the tiniest iota of sexual chemistry with a woman. Even without the added creep factor of his character knowing his mutilated captive is watching, it would be a death march set to new age music.

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[info]maruad
2008-05-14 08:00 pm UTC (link)
ouch... that is very much the impression.

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[info]carloshasanax
2008-05-14 04:47 pm UTC (link)
... and also, now you see the appeal to the Scotch-Irish.

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[info]anzhalyumitethe
2008-05-14 05:27 pm UTC (link)
*ROFL*

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[info]carloshasanax
2008-05-14 07:09 pm UTC (link)
It's actually very welcoming of them to take Clinton to heart, and I'm not being facetious. She's not one of them, and they know it; they're not stupid.

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[info]mayakda
2008-05-14 05:06 pm UTC (link)
There's a reason Picard never liked that twerp.

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[info]kaffyr
2008-05-14 05:32 pm UTC (link)
With regard to Ms Close and any resemblance to said female candidate - I can only hope the Democratic Party isn't the bunny.

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[info]james_nicoll
2008-05-14 06:08 pm UTC (link)
Wouldn't the Party be Douglas' character? The bunny would be something cute and inoffensive that Party might be fond of, like, hrm, Guam.

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[info]kaffyr
2008-05-14 06:44 pm UTC (link)
I think I'd supposed the country to be equivalent to the Douglas character. Guam? Let's protect Guam, shall we? Heh.

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[info]roseembolism
2008-05-14 05:39 pm UTC (link)
I suppose it would be possible to compare the male candidate to some male stalker from a suspense movie. But offhand, I can't think of any from suspense movies, just from bad romantic movies.

I'm not sure if this says more about Hollywood, or my mind this morning.

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[info]james_nicoll
2008-05-14 05:48 pm UTC (link)
What about Travis Bickle?

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[info]anzhalyumitethe
2008-05-14 05:50 pm UTC (link)
Jason of Friday the 13th?

He. just. Won't. Die.

huh. That sounded a bit like Reagan's political career upon reflection.

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[info]oneironaut
2008-05-14 05:57 pm UTC (link)
There's the Ron Silver character in Blue Steel. The scene where he's all naked and crazy could be a metaphor for some kind of political indiscretion.

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[info]iwanttobeasleep
2008-05-14 05:47 pm UTC (link)
Ew. Who said that?

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[info]james_nicoll
2008-05-14 05:52 pm UTC (link)
Just for giggles, try googling "Hillary Clinton" and "Fatal Attraction". The trick is to find a pundit who hasn't compared her to Close's character.

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[info]llennhoff
2008-05-14 05:55 pm UTC (link)
Also The Hillary Metaphors

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[info]maruad
2008-05-14 06:13 pm UTC (link)
It is such a catchy comparison it would be hard to ignore after it had been made the first time. Is it me or is she starting to look edgier and edgier in every new newsclip? Is she really getting edgier or is the media starting to target those moments to reflect the new perception of Hillary.

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[info]stardragonca
2008-05-14 06:25 pm UTC (link)
The later. Truthiness is not a factor. Remember the crying/breaking down coverage surrounding her speaking with a simple catch in her voice? Feh.(And I can't stand the woman. Just not because she's a woman.)

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[info]stardragonca
2008-05-14 06:30 pm UTC (link)
*The Latter
Lucnh itme,I'm thikning.

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[info]kightp
2008-05-14 09:03 pm UTC (link)
Some of what looks like "edgy" may in fact be stress and fatigue. Both presidential candidates have been working a grueling travel and speaking schedule for weeks now, and even the much-younger Obama is looking a bit ragged around the edges.

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[info]stardragonca
2008-05-14 06:20 pm UTC (link)
If nothing else,this campaign demonstrates the fallacy of the idea that The U.S. Is All Over All That Stuff Now.
Sheesh!

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[info]countess_sophia
2008-05-15 02:26 am UTC (link)
Sexist? Yes, but that's what one gets when one has a venal press, lazy, cowardly politicians and ad hominem campaigning that doesn't address the issues.

Personally, I wouldn't trust any of the potential candidates in the US presidential elections to run a whelk stall, let alone govern a country. My betting though is that McCain will win, and will get to play Olivares.

Soph x


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[info]ambitious_wench
2008-05-15 06:41 am UTC (link)
You've never seen it happen? Dude! Ralph Nader! He's gonna try AGAIN! Don't even compare Clinton to Glenn Close!

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