james_nicoll

Some people seemed to have a strange view of the world.

I have some problems with the depiction of women in Whedon's shows too (less with "Firefly" than "Buffy"), but I think his shows are more feminist than a lot of what's out there on the airwaves.

Yeah but when you consider the rest includes show likes 24 where women who have extra-marital sex generally end up dead or evil, that's not saying much.

I blame years of being exposed to KW Germans. And also global warming, which better shovel the snow off my porch.

I am boggled.

In other news, Ralph Fiennes is a Nazi!

Wow.

Gah. Radical feminists who think that all het sex = rape make my head hurt.

Seriously, I'd love to hear Joss's reaction to this. I'd love to hear what Mrs. Whedon has to say even more.

I'm afraid they might die laughing.

Inara, Zoe, Kaylee... no discussion of River. How did she pass up the opportunity to jump on the character 'first' (modulo Fox and airing order) seen naked in a box, like slave trafficking? Cut into and objectified as a weapon? Given female mystical powers?

I think this is where 'real-person fanfic' crosses into the territory of 'libel'.

Ditto.

Someone's asking for a really nasty lawsuit.

*snicker* Good one.

Wow. She should be the poster child for selective perception bias.

Right. Every guy who has ever said, "Aw, please, can't we get busy tonight?" is a rapist. I thought this view was imaginary, but no.

I see it often, especially on comms like feminist and feminist_rage.

Forgive me for saying this, but what world does the author of that article come from?

I don't know about anyone else, but my personal definition of what it meant to be on the lunatic fringe just inched out a few degrees more.

Even the lunatic fringe are going "WTF?"

... also seems to be the most coherent response that I can manage. And not just because I've got con-lag at the moment.

After further consideration, my response is to go and re-read ihazastopwatch's lolcats of That Scene in Torchwood 2.11. Because I am the sort of woman-hating person who has bought into the patriarchy's oppression of women so much I don't even want them in my tv sf porn, see.

Seriously, what?

All I can say is that this appears to have come from some alternate dimension where everyone is EVIL. Either that or they saw some completely differt show called firefly. The women were the strongest characters on the show, by comparison the men were generally punching bags.

I concur that ... is the most coherent response possible.

The women were the strongest characters on the show

What?

If that's how Whedon writes strong women, I think real strong women should be pretty damned insulted.

I found it interesting that at the same time, she condemns Inara for selling sex for money, and *also* condemns her for not getting paid for the emotional support she offers the crewmembers. Damned either way, it seems.

You win.

People are weird.

IAWTC, in an Elder-Gods-aren't-nearly-as-weird sort of way.

I honestly thought this was going to be somebody taking aim at some too over the top critics of Whedon, but...

I definitely consider myself a feminist, but still consider that analysis to be completely wacked out. The extremes of radical feminism has been giving feminism a bad name for decades.

How about making a distinction between "feminism" and (to take James's cue regarding the inaccurate term "anti-semitism") "man-hatred"?

Damn it! As a feminist, I spend so much time explaining to people that it's not true that feminists believe that all heterosexual sex is rape... and then someone like this comes along and undoes all my efforts. Because whose version is going to stick in people's mind as the representative "feminist" point of view? The reasonable one, or the OMG-link-all-your-friends-to-this-craziness one?

The reasonable one, if the people judging are also reasonable. As someone points out above, 'Even the lunatic fringe are going "WTF?" ' We can almost all of us see that this woman's a few fries short of a Happy Meal, don't worry. :)

Wow. I must just be misogynistic and narrow-minded for just not having liked the show because it didn't think its science through and because it did a worse job of blending the sci-fi and western genres than Cowboy Bebop. It never occured to me that the whole thing was just one big evil rape fantasy.

May the Great and Powerful GynoMatrix forgive my mind and my evil, evil probative genitalia!

The 'science' bugged me: Whedon apparently is a little iffy on C, and other basic constants.

Why do I click on the links? WHY?

The same reason I do. Morbid curiosity--is it as bad as it seems?

In this case, yes.

It's 1980 all over again, isn't it? Takes me right back.

Missing the reference. What happened in 1980?

Oh dear God. I would have to click through and read this BS. Sigh.

Of course, the bias of the reviewer is immediately displayed when she writes about encountering "another lesbian feminist sister."

Memo: just because someone shares one's own gender and sexual orientation does not mean they're automatically a "sister."

The rest of the critique went downhill from there IMO. So. Has this person really been locked up in a closet since the 80s? Considering her definition of "rape" includes any heterosexual activity initiated by a male?

My brain hurts. I'm going back to my horses. Mares are alpha there, and they don't need no stinkin' rhetoric to justify being Alpha, either.

Oh, I'm sure that she sees any heterosexual sex initiated by the woman as rape also -- because clearly, no woman not pressured by a patriarchal society in general and that man in particular would *want* heterosexual sex, so the woman cannot give *true* consent even if she appears to be the initiator. ;)