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Says it all, really
james_nicoll
Last night on Heroes, we got to see Peter Petrelli and Matt Parkman argue over whether a third party was malevolent or not.

At that moment in time, both Peter and Matt had telepathy. If only there was some way one could use the power to read minds to examine someone's motives...

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Yes, but as soon as some ambitious soul re-edits the dialogue in that scene it will be full of AWESOME. (Also amusing to note that Parkman did not mind control Kensei who has no defense to it, but Peter who has the exact same power as him.)

That's because in the close race to see which of Matt, Peter and Mohinder is the stupidest person on Heroes, Matt will always take the gold.

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Petrelli and Parkman, on the other hand, are stupid, but have always been portrayed as such, and so I don't think you can really fault the writers when they portray them as such.

Matt is the guy who couldn't figure how to tell if Mr. McEvil from the Primatec company was lying to him, despite using telepathy while the guy was around (although not on McEvil) so I can't disagree with you.

I think there's a reason why Nathan and his mom treat Peter as a lovable idiot and that's because Peter is the Petrelli version of an in-bred collie dog: very pretty, very stupid.

Nathan doesn't tend to rely on his power to get him out of jams, which is a bit unusual for the metahumans on Heroes. Flying creepy emo boy was totally about using flight to deal with life's problems, so it's not just that Nathan got a cool power without much day to day use.


Suddenly I am very happy that Matt didn't discover his mind control powers until after his wife left him.

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But you just know that he is the only one in the freakin' show that (a) acts like a sensible adult...

I have a hard time justifying his taking Peter's memories away, especially when he seemed to think he was doing Peter a favor.

The relentlessly optimistic, and funny, Japanese kook who seemed to have a thumb well-placed on his own moral compass has turned into a bit of dope who's unsure what to do next.

And Ando has been sent back to the cubicles.

I can fault the writers for setting things up so that they can rely on idiot plots to make their stories work. A Heroes where eg: Nathan was the power-mimic and Noah was the telepath would be a lot more interesting, I think.

true, but the idea they've followed has tended to be that the powers reflect the person; ie, Nathan is a high-flying politician, so he...flies. Peter is a caring nurse, so he has what Tim Kring has referred to as 'power empathy'. Etc. (it's not a *great* concept, but it's apparently what it's about; the powers were decided, then the characters created based on that, with the idea being that you can figure out what power they'll have based on the character, if you care to.)

But then what does it say to have the dumb-as-a-box-of-rocks cop have the ability to read and influence minds? That's as far away from Parkman's personality as you can get.

It's control-freak powers.

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Peter is the Petrelli version of an in-bred collie dog: very pretty, very stupid.

That's the best description of Peter I've seen.

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I don't know, I kinda figure Plague Girl runs away with that one.

There was also Peter's difficult and wearing effort to unlock a vault door, when he has the verified ability to walk through walls - and take someone else with him, to boot.

He can also teleport. I think he just loses track of what all his powers are sometimes. (He's got to have super-hearing and the ability to learn new information quickly, right?)

I don't think he can mimic Sylar's powers. My working for model is that Peter is limited by his own cognitive abilities and so any power dependent on the user being brighter than a box of rocks won't work for him, for the same reason you can't install Windows NT on a Commodore 64.


He got TK from Sylar, who got it from his first victim, right?

Huh. Yeah, he did.

Well, maybe he can duplicate the physical powers but I don't think he can master the intelligence-based ones.

Or maybe he can only dupe one of Sylar's powers if Sylar actually uses it in his presence.

I haven't seen any of the second season yet (and everyone tells me I'm better off that way), but wasn't it implied when Peter was learning how to use his powers that the process of turning a power on is emotionally based? That could make turning his powers on and off a bit complicated.

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I wonder if Peter unknowingly absorbed the Haitian's powers, which is why he has a selective memory of which powers he has (or maybe they just randomly become disabled?)

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Does he still have invisibility? Can he make a second person invisible? He could have just sneaked into the complex...

IIRC alternate future Peter and Hiro launched their attack on [something] in normal time despite Hiro's offer to freeze time because a.f.Peter hadn't had a good fight in a while. Sneaking does not seem to be part of Peter's M.O.

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I have stopped watching. One week, I was stalling clicking over to NBC because I knew it would be an ordeal. And then it came to me: I don't have to watch it. Now I am free!

It makes me sad to feel that way, but not sad enough to watch Maya and her brother race to arrive in time for the finals of the stupid contest.

MAO

I think you may have a lot of company. I base this on the fact that I was expecting something from last week or the week before to attract a lot of outraged commentary on LJ but it didn't (I am being vague because I can't recall what it was). Either people's capacity to be outraged has been saturated or people are not watching. I am guessing the first option is less likely.

I haven't watched it after the first two or three episodes of season two. Season one had just enough cleverness that I could bear the show's many glaring flaws. But it just isn't worth it any more.

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Wasn't it true that the producers apologized for this season?

It's slipped to where I watch it while I'm online or reading the paper. What I taped last night and watched later was the two-hour The Closer special. I've been taping Tin Man on the lesser VCR. If it's awful, I can just rewind.

Has it been established in this 'verse that telepathy is a sure-fire way of detecting evil - and, in fact, what telepathy is capable of? In other words, how foolproof is it, and how deep does it go?

If it's more like a non-verbal talky box, then maybe they wouldn't be able to tell the motives. Meaning it's used for silent communication - my mind speaks something to your mind, and can "hear" (aka read) your response...but that doesn't give me the ability to tell whether your response is truthful or not, nor does it give me the ability to go beyond the response to the motives and emotions behind it.

It's been used to rip information out of people's minds that the thinker didn't want to share.

That definitely points to its power - but doesn't necessarily speak to its ability to judge veracity.

I don't watch Heroes, that's why I was asking.

The "mind" gifts have always seemed hard for writers to handle. One only has to take a look at Jean Grey to know that's true.

And that sounds all grouchy, and it's not meant to be. Feh.

My last comment was a piss-poor way of saying that 1) you are likely right, the writers (and hence the characters) are idiots. :)

Peter had the same issue last week involving an argument about someone being evil and malicious or not.

My working hypothesis is that, the more kick-ass your ability, the dumber you'll be in using it. C.f. how Hiro approached his task during the entire episode.

Hiro is handicapped by the model he is using (American superhero comics). It's a sad thing but Bill and Ted got more use out of fixed time travel than Hiro does.



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It's very simple.

If Nathan dies, I am never watching this show again.

Third parties aren't malevolent, just useless and you'll only throw your vote away.

Suppose that you have spent all of your gaming days playing a Fighter. Suppose that later you wind up playing a cleric. Your ability to think of what spells might be useful, how to mix and match, &c. is going to be compromised and you're going to wind up doing a lot of brute force applications to bash things with help from the magic rather than elegant solutions involved in application of your spells.

Likewise, most of the main characters have still only had their powers for < a year or so. They haven't quite figured out the implications of all of them. Sylar and Peter especially tend to throw them around pell mell because they haven't actually sat down and figured out how to employ their powers strategically. I mean, Sylar has a preternatural memory, the ability to see the future and ability to liquefy objects at a touch but still tends to mainly use his telekinesis and sometimes his nuclear abilities.


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